Thermostat for Luna3 Comfort

[ammoun]

Всем привет,

Прежде всего позвольте мне извиниться за письмо на английском языке, я посмотрел весь Интернет и котел, который я использую, кажется, очень распространены в России.

Не могли бы вы помочь мне найти правильный термостат для котла Luna 3 Comfort?

В настоящее время я использую пульт дистанционного управления, установленный на котле, я понимаю, что я мог бы переместить пульт дистанционного управления внутри комнаты, но мне интересно, если вы знаете о любых совместимых термостатов, которые я мог бы использовать с этим котлом.

Я посмотрел в Интернете и Honeywell CM907, кажется, быть кандидатом. Не могли бы вы подтвердить совместимость и если есть документация, объясняющие, как установить, когда у меня есть только 2 кабеля.

Спасибо!


Hi Everyone,

First let me apologize for writing in English, I looked up the whole internet and the boiler that I'm using seems to be very common in Russia.

Could you please help me locate the right thermostat for Luna 3 Comfort boiler?

Currently, I'm using the remote controller mounted on the boiler, I understand that I could move the remote inside a room, but I'm wondering if you know of any compatible thermostats that I could use with this boiler.

I looked up online and Honeywell CM907 seems to be a candidate. Will you please confirm the compatibility and if there is documentation explaining how to install when I only have 2 cables.

Thank you!

[Bahus]

Hi.
First of all. Sorry for my english. I haven't had practice since university (almost 15 years).

So, here we go
1. Please, provide us your country of living. Based on your IP I can suggest it is the USA, right? Or not?
It's important because boilers' technical characteristics may vary from country to country. Even within one model line.
And because every country has it's own parameters of power supply.
2. Just in case, provide your boilers' serial number. It's written on the label, that glued on the inner side of the front cover of the boiler. It looks like as the first picture of the second post of this topic. It named "matr." there.

Actually, i don't get your question. You can hang remote "from the box" wherever you want. It has the temperature sensor inside, so you can use it like CM907 for example. It also has week programming mode, so you can adjust the temperature of any hour of any day of the week. Of course you have to change some settings like "ambon', "modul" and F03 parameter.

Ok. If you want to install another remote instead present - there are almost not a one chance. Present remote connects to boilers' PCB thru OpenTherm protocol interface. Thus, you must find remote that understands OT protocol and some kind of adapter, that could link this 2 devices together.
BUT. If you want to install another remote AND keep the present - it seems very simple task. Boilers' PCB allows to install 2 room thermostats. First is common remote connected to OT interface. And second - simple temperature relay. For example Honeywell CM907. It must be connected to boiler instead jumper, which is located at the boilers' power supply entrance (before the PCB). Then you have to change some settings.
Last 2 paragraphs refer to boilers, that have been imported to Russia. So, we're waiting for the country and serial number. May be a couple of photos of the boiler and remote.

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Для тех кто в танке или кому лень переводить с русского английского на русский нормальный

Для начала я решил уточниться в какой стране котелок обитает. Ну заодно и серийник узнать. Мало ли.

Затем я маленько поудивлялся, чего человеку с родной панелью не живется. Вроде как все функции там есть (была ссылка на устройство от Хоневелл, который есть ни что иное как обычный термостат с сухими контактами и недельным программатором.

Ну и затем написал, что 2 термостата подключить котел позволяет. С ремаркой, что это относится к котлам, которые в восточную европу поставляются. За американские не знаю. Да и пока нет уверенности, что ТС из США.

[plehan]

Ну и затем написал, что 2 термостата подключить котел позволяет

- а что дают два термостата на одном котле ?

[Bahus]

Установки управляющих параметров системы отопления (шина Open Therm разъем CN7 или комнатный термостат 230V)
00= Сигнал комнатного термостата 230V не принимается во внимание. При подключении к разъему CN7 вынесенной панели, на ней устанавливаются значения температуры воздуха в помещении;
01= При подключении к разъему CN7 вынесенной панели, а к контактам клеммной колодки электропитания комнатного термостата 230V устанавливается большее из двух возможных значений температуры воздуха в помещении;
02= При подключении к разъему CN7 вынесенной панели, а к контактам клеммной колодки электропитания комнатного термостата 230V
значения температуры воздуха в помещении устанавливается вынесенной панелью. По запросу комнатного термостата (замкнутые контакты) идет
команда на запуск котла,
Это F10

[ammoun]

Thanks a lot for your answer, your English is great!

I installed this boiler at my parents house in Tunisia, North Africa but now I'm back to the US. It had so many Russian words on it so I assumed it's the same model that you use over there. 220v is the voltage in Tunisia.

I asked my father to take a picture of the label on the side, but I'll have to spend more time explaining to him how to remove the front cover to access the "matr" info. Please let me know if it's necessary.



The boiler looks exactly like this: https://www.wallhungboilers.com/pdf/sal ... ochure.pdf
And this is the remote: http://www.doityourself.com/forum/heat- ... ler.html#b

My main goal is actually to make the boiler as much efficient as possible and to save on energy. Currently, I feel like the boiler will keep running and burning energy without getting feedback from the room temperature since the boiler and the remote are in the garage which is much colder than the inside. I was wondering if a smart thermostat could be used, but apparently as you explained, the OT protocol seems proprietary. I'm willing to take any advice you have, and thank you again for your time and patience.

Отправлено спустя 13 минут 12 секунд:
Oh so the honeywell is just a temperature relay then... did not know that! Ok, so I'm apparently out of luck with a smart thermostat that can connect to wifi and that I can remotely set up.

I do recognize the jumper that you mentioned, I also remember that I had set F10 to 00 instead of F03. Maybe you meant F10.

[Bahus]

Great! That's enough.
in spite of russian database didn't recognize this serial number (it's 164424069, by the way), the boiler is definetly from russia (or somewhere of eastern europe).
About honeywell and wifi. I didn't read full manual. Only connecting schemas and technical data. Tomorrow will read more careful, to find out full functionality.
My first simle suggestions.
Native remote "can" most things, that can other common thermostats. So few steps to reach some economy and comfort is to unmount native remote from front cover of the boiler and find the "right" place to mount it on the wall. It must not have straight sunlight falling, wind draft, or heating appliance near. This is the living-room in common, where temperature is higher needed, than in bedroom, for example. Next, you must change ambon and modul parameters from 0 to 1. Thus, boiler will operate room temperature instead heat carrier temperature.
By the way. Do you have the manual in english, or the language you (or your parents) can speak? If no, tomorrow i'll try to find it in the office, or make a query to representatives.
Next. You can set up day-by-day programs, so the boiler will keep higher temperature, when somebody's home and lower temperature when nobody is home.
And that's it, i think.

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Оффтоп:

Блин. Чего кириллический котел в Тунисе делает? И номер ведь не бьется. Форум выходит на межконтинентальный уровень. Ой-ей

Отправлено спустя 1 минуту 26 секунд:
I make some remarks in russian for those, who too lazy to translate. Don't mention, please

Отправлено спустя 3 минуты 4 секунды:
В общем, человек хочет экономии. Ну как обычно. Не совсем до конца выяснил хотелку, что-то там про управление по ВиФи проскальзывало. Пока попытаюсь убедить вынести штатную панель.
Ярослав, Андрей. Есть у вас в загашниках где мануал на Луну Комфорт на англицком? А то у владельца может не оказаться, а там еще настройки настраивать. Переводить-то вломы

[garry]

There is a kit you can make your panel wireless. You have to buy new panel (it will be wireless and work from 2 aaa batteries) and a base to recieve signal from your panel. You can hang it wherever you want and control temperature and of cause gas.

[Bahus]

That's right. You don't need any wires, to plug the remote. You just connect the base to the boilers' PCB and mount it to the place where native remote is mounted (in the front panel of the boiler). Remote connects to the base by radio signal (some kind of Bluetooth, but the frequency's different).
All other functionality is the same.
Oh. In addition to room thermostat you can plug outdoor temperature sensor, so the boiler can change the temperature of heat carrier automatically when the outdoor themperature changes. It can save a little bit more energy to you.
SKUs from the russian general catalogue:
1. Wireless kit - KHG 71411471* (page 79, position 104).
2. Outdoor temperature sensor - KHG 71406211* (page 78, position 84)

I forgot. There is one more thing. Baxi provides such thing as "Baxi Mago" It's smart room thermostat with WiFi function. We don't have much information about this device, because Baxi doesn't supply it to our country. You can read more about it here. Maybe it's exactly what you need. But maybe you have to phone Italian or GB representatives, to find out if you have the possibility to connect it to your boiler.

Отправлено спустя 7 минут 30 секунд:

the OT protocol seems proprietary

It's not, exactly. But it's .. highly specialized if you understand what i mean. Link to wiki. Because of this there is not many manufacturers of the electronics, who make such things.

Отправлено спустя 9 минут 31 секунду:
На этой волне сам почитал статью в Вики. В итоге, по спецификации 3.0 соединение может быть шире, чем точка-точка. Однако нужна дополнительная прокладка (в статье она шлюзом обозвана), к которой может подключаться разная комбинация приборов. Но, подозреваю, что это не очень привычно нам, да и денег поди неподъемных стоить может. Поэтому проще использовать уже опробованные решения.

[ammoun]

in spite of russian database didn't recognize this serial number (it's 164424069, by the way), the boiler is definetly from russia (or somewhere of eastern europe).

Interesting! Let's just hope it's not stolen (Just kidding, I bought it from an official BAXI distributor listed on their website)

About honeywell and wifi. I didn't read full manual. Only connecting schemas and technical data. Tomorrow will read more careful, to find out full functionality.

I don't see documentation on the manual that describes a remote except the one that comes with the boiler, and apparently everything is being done through the 2 wires.

My first simle suggestions.
Native remote "can" most things, that can other common thermostats. So few steps to reach some economy and comfort is to unmount native remote from front cover of the boiler and find the "right" place to mount it on the wall. It must not have straight sunlight falling, wind draft, or heating appliance near. This is the living-room in common, where temperature is higher needed, than in bedroom, for example. Next, you must change ambon and modul parameters from 0 to 1. Thus, boiler will operate room temperature instead heat carrier temperature.
By the way. Do you have the manual in english, or the language you (or your parents) can speak? If no, tomorrow i'll try to find it in the office, or make a query to representatives.
Next. You can set up day-by-day programs, so the boiler will keep higher temperature, when somebody's home and lower temperature when nobody is home.
And that's it, i think.

This information is really helpful, thank you!

[ammoun]

There is a kit you can make your panel wireless. You have to buy new panel (it will be wireless and work from 2 aaa batteries) and a base to recieve signal from your panel. You can hang it wherever you want and control temperature and of cause gas.

That's right. You don't need any wires, to plug the remote. You just connect the base to the boilers' PCB and mount it to the place where native remote is mounted (in the front panel of the boiler). Remote connects to the base by radio signal (some kind of Bluetooth, but the frequency's different).
All other functionality is the same.
Oh. In addition to room thermostat you can plug outdoor temperature sensor, so the boiler can change the temperature of heat carrier automatically when the outdoor themperature changes. It can save a little bit more energy to you.
SKUs from the russian general catalogue:
1. Wireless kit - KHG 71411471* (page 79, position 104).

Thank you, it's apparently in 12000 range in Russian Ruble... I already have cables installed so I would rather spend that amount on a wifi enabled thermostat. The outdoor sensor is worth it though!

Отправлено спустя 8 минут 59 секунд:

It's not, exactly. But it's .. highly specialized if you understand what i mean. Link to wiki. Because of this there is not many manufacturers of the electronics, who make such things.

The thing is, apparently 3rd generation Nest thermostats are OpenTherm compatible https://nest.com/uk/support/article/Whi ... Thermostat , but I can imagine a Nest thermostat would expect more than 2 wires... I'm thinking Baxi is just integrating the standard in its own implementation.

[Bahus]

Maybe. Please, refer the manuals of the "Mago" device. They promise that THIS can work not only with Baxi products, but others, who "can" opentherm. And your boiler cans. Maybe you would write or phone them (to Great Britain, i think) to resolve all doubts. I don't know how much this device costs, actually. But maybe this is the one what you needed? Maybe it is the solution of all your tasks?
However, your can set your native remote as i adviced and search for the natural gas consumption.

Отправлено спустя 11 минут 33 секунды:

Interesting! Let's just hope it's not stolen

It's not of course. Our database contains serials that have been made for Russian federation exclusively. But there are some partitions of manufacturing, that had been gone to other CIS area (Kazakh, Belarus, Ukraine). They use сyrillic as we are. So we can't see it, actually. Russian database for this model ends in 164424024. But it is the same Luna-3 Comfort, the same 44-th week of 16 year of manufacturing (first 4 digits).
I don't understand why i am writing this. Joke is a joke. Just in case

[ammoun]

Maybe. Please, refer the manuals of the "Mago" device. They promise that THIS can work not only with Baxi products, but others, who "can" opentherm. And your boiler cans. Maybe you would write or phone them (to Great Britain, i think) to resolve all doubts. I don't know how much this device costs, actually. But maybe this is the one what you needed? Maybe it is the solution of all your tasks?
However, your can set your native remote as i adviced and search for the natural gas consumption.

Yeah, I sent a couple emails asking for compatibility and it seems to be in the 250EUR range in case you wondered. Thanks again Bahus for all your help, I will let you know once I learn whether it's compatible with Luna3.

[Bahus]

Eupatiy-Kolovratiy. Quarter a thousand euros for this stuff? They must be mad. That's a pity.

[plehan]

Eupatiy-Kolovratiy. Quarter a thousand euros for this stuff? They must be mad. That's a pity.

- ага Бахус злой, значит не договорились ,как свергнут правительство !

[Bahus]

Блин, ну четвертину за контроллер - это перебор

[plehan]

Блин, ну четвертину за контроллер

а ему контроллер ,который нам поставляют подойдет ?

[ammoun]

The Russian market know what they're doing when they rejected it

[Bahus]

Oh no. The device is pretty raw. I think they don't send this device to us cause it is in "progress"

Отправлено спустя 4 минуты 57 секунд:
Maybe it's not so raw. Our (russian) requirements more tough, than the european. Maybe the boilers' PCB are different to ours. there is the beware...

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They don't reject it. Simply it is a newbie.